5 facts about lung cancer every Utahn should know

Do you want to take control of your health? Check out 5 facts every Utahn should know to prevent a life-changing lung cancer diagnosis.

1. Lung cancer is the most deadly cancer

Lung cancer kills more people per year than breast, colon, and prostate cancer combined. Although there are plenty of preventative measures that can be taken, it is responsible for 22% of all cancer deaths. 

2. 4 out of 5 people diagnosed with lung cancer will die from it

Lung cancer can have similar symptoms to mild respiratory irritation, so many people don’t get diagnosed until it’s too late. In fact, the 5-year relative survival rate for lung cancer is 19%, according to the American Cancer Society.

3. Radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer

Utah has high levels of radon, a radioactive gas that causes 21,000 lung cancer deaths annually. When it concentrates in your home undetected, it can damage the DNA in your lungs and lead to lung cancer. Radon can’t be detected by our senses, and the only way to know if it is in your home is to test for it. Click here to request a free radon test.

4. Only 1.8% of high-risk Utahns have been screened for lung cancer

This rate is low compared to the national average rate of 4.5%. You can find out if you're at high risk for lung cancer by visiting the American Lung Association’s website.

5. Lung cancer screening is safe

Lung cancer screenings have a low radiation dose and are usually safe to receive annually. While not covered by all insurance companies, lung cancer screening can cost less than $100. We encourage you to talk to your primary care provider about getting screened for lung cancer, especially if your home has tested high for radon.

Ready to take the first step toward protecting yourself and your loved ones from lung cancer? Click here to request a free radon test.

Radon systems in new Utah homes

Radon, a prevalent radioactive gas in Utah, is a serious health threat, causing lung cancer. Shockingly, one in three Utah homes harbors high radon levels. This risk is not limited to old homes; even new ones can be infiltrated by radon through the foundation, posing health hazards to occupants. That's why it is important to consider radon systems in new Utah homes.

The silver lining is that new homes offer a unique opportunity to combat radon. By installing a radon mitigation system during construction, you can significantly reduce the risk of indoor radon exposure, safeguarding your family's health.

Radon systems during new construction

Radon is created when uranium in the ground decays, and Utah soil is full of uranium. No matter how old a home is, radon can rise and get trapped inside if uranium is beneath it. Even more, new homes are more energy-efficient and airtight, which means more radon can be concentrated indoors.

To proactively protect yourself and loved ones from radon, you can install a radon system during construction to stop radon from concentrating indoors. These systems consist of a series of pipes connected to a fan that pulls radon from the soil to the air above the home.

Radon systems are simple to install during the construction process and can save you time, money, and heartache from lung disease. The average cost of a radon mitigation system is $1,800 - $2,300, and it’s worth every penny to ensure your family’s health and safety.

Home builders in Utah with a focus on radon

Unfortunately, Utah’s laws are still behind when it comes to proactive radon mitigation efforts. However, some builders have taken matters into their own hands and include radon mitigation systems in their construction to protect clients from radon-induced lung cancer. Richmond American, Symphony Homes, Toll Brothers, and Woodside Homes are builders who include radon protection in their plans. Still, no matter who you go with, you should always talk to your contractor about the steps you can take to reduce radon in your home. (Installing Radon systems in new Utah homes)

Why you shouldn’t avoid radon testing

Radon is the leading cause of lung cancer in non-smokers and causes 21,000 deaths annually. Because we can’t see, smell, or taste radon, many people put it in the back of their minds and put off radon testing. Additionally, the fear of a high test result may cause people to put off testing their home. 

We’re here to explain why you should prioritize radon testing your home as soon as possible.

The health impact of radon

Radon is a carcinogenic gas that causes lung cancer and other diseases, and lung cancer specifically is often not caught until the disease has progressed significantly. Though it primarily causes lung cancer, it’s not uncommon for lung cancer to metastasize and spread to other vital organs. Utahns just like you have been diagnosed with cancer in their hips, spines, livers, and countless other places that all started from radon-induced lung cancer.

The financial impact of radon

You might be nervous about testing your home due to the cost of installing a radon mitigation system. While the $1,700–2,000 price tag on a radon mitigation system isn’t pocket change, it pales in comparison to the cost of lung cancer treatment. It’s not uncommon for non-smoking lung cancer medications to cost around $16,000 per month, and total lung cancer treatment can skyrocket to upwards of hundreds of thousands of dollars. Even more, there are invisible costs of treatment, such as travel, transportation, caregiving, loss of work, counseling, and more.

Testing your home for radon can not only save you hundreds of thousands of dollars in the long run, but it can save your life. Click here today to get a free radon test sent to your door.

How does a radon mitigation system work?

If your home tests high for radon, you’ll likely wonder what steps can be taken to reduce it. The good news is that a radon mitigation system is a simple way to lower your radon levels and keep your loved ones safe from radon-induced diseases. Let's see how does a radon mitigation system work below.

How does radon enter a home? 

Radon is a naturally occurring odorless, colorless, and tasteless radioactive gas that enters homes due to a phenomenon called the stack effect. Higher-temperature air is less dense and tends to rise, while lower-temperature air is dense and tends to stay low. As hot air rises and leaves the house, cooler air gets sucked in from below the foundation. 

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Because the foundation is the closest to the ground where radon gas is the most concentrated, the stack effect draws the gas into the home. 

How is radon gas removed? 

The most common and effective radon mitigation method is sub-slab depressurization (SSD). The goal of SSD is to create negative pressure under the foundation of the home. This negative pressure helps prevent soil gases from entering the home. This is done by creating a suction pit beneath the home’s foundation where the radon gas collects, installing a series of pipes connected to the suction pit to keep the gas from entering the home, and sucking the gas out of the home to the outside air using a radon fan. 

Types of radon mitigation systems

There are two basic types of radon mitigation systems: interior and exterior. Both systems use SSD, but the main difference is where the system is installed.  

Interior radon mitigation systems

Interior radon mitigation systems are installed inside the home, usually in a chase, garage, or closet. The pipes connect the suction pit to the radon fan located in the attic. Because of this, the only visible portion from the outside of the home is the roof jack. This is the primary advantage of an interior system; however, interior systems tend to cost a little more than exterior systems because they tend to be more labor-intensive.  

Radon pipe connected to the suction pit
Radon pipe exiting into the garage
Radon pipe connecting to fan
Radon pipe connect to roof jack

Interior systems can be installed during or after the construction of the house. Many homebuilders in Utah now offer radon mitigation systems as options when building the house. If your home is already built, certified installers can usually retrofit it to accommodate an interior system. If the house's layout will not accommodate an interior system, an exterior system can be installed. 

Exterior radon mitigation systems

Exterior radon mitigation systems are installed partly inside the house and partly outside. Like an interior system, exterior systems start at the home's foundation, where a suction pit is dug to collect the radon gas. The pit is connected to piping that exits the house a little above the ground level. A radon fan is connected to the pipe, and a rain gutter is installed from the fan to the roof line. A rain gutter is used simply for aesthetic reasons (to match the existing rain gutters on the house). 

Radon pipe exiting the house to the fan
Pipe ties into rain gutter and exits at the roof 

Who can install a radon mitigation system? 

Because radon is a Class A carcinogen, only a certified radon mitigator should install a radon mitigation system. You can see who is certified in Utah by going to the National Radon Proficiency Program’s website

When selecting a radon mitigator, ensure they are certified, check out their Google Reviews, and be leery of below average pricing (some mitigators will quote low and then charge more on the day of installation). Remember you’re dealing with a radioactive gas - don’t cut any corners. 

Where is radon in Utah?

The Utah Department of Environmental Quality has issued a stark warning: at least one in three homes in Utah is believed to have dangerous radon levels. This means over 1 million Utahns are exposed to these hazardous levels every single day. 

Radon is a radioactive gas created when uranium in the ground decays. Utah is rich in uranium—so much so that 130 million pounds have been mined, and Utah is the third-largest uranium-producing state (according to the Utah Geological Survey). With such a large amount of uranium naturally present in the state, there is also a large amount of radon that seeps into homes and buildings.

Why should you be concerned about radon? 

Radon is a silent and invisible threat. It can’t be seen, smelled, or tasted, making it particularly dangerous. In fact, radon is the leading cause of lung cancer among non-smokers and the second leading cause among smokers. Often, people are unaware of a radon problem until it's too late. Annually, 21,000 Americans lose their lives to radon-induced lung cancer, underscoring the critical need to understand where radon is present and how to address it.

What radon level is safe? 

According to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), no safe radon level exists. Any amount poses a health risk due to the damage it can cause to your lungs (ionizing radiation). This being the case, the goal is to have as little radon in your home as possible. 

Radon is measured in pico curies per liter of air (pCi/L). Both the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the World Health Organization (WHO) provide guidelines, or “action levels,” where they recommend having a radon mitigation system installed in a home. The EPA recommends considering mitigation at 2.0 pCi/L and strongly recommends mitigation at 4.0 pCi/L, while the WHO recommends mitigation at 2.7 pCi/L. 

The WHO’s action level is generally preferred over the EPA’s recommendation simply because mitigation technology has improved significantly since the EPA's recommendation (over 40 years ago) compared to the more recent WHO recommendation. However, both agree that the goal is to have as little radon gas in your home as possible and that the time to do something about it is when radon levels are in the 2.0 pCi/L+ range.  

Radon hot spots

Due to Utah’s geography, uranium and radon are present throughout the state. However, some locations have more than others. According to Alpha Energy Laboratories, a third-party radon testing lab that the State of Utah uses for their radon testing, the following cities have an excessive number of homes with dangerous radon levels (2.7 pCi/L or higher):

Highest (80% or more of homes tested had dangerous levels):

Very High (60-79% of homes tested had dangerous levels):

High (50-59% of homes tested had dangerous levels):

Elevated (33-49% of homes tested had dangerous levels):

It’s important to know that this is not an exhaustive list. According to the EPA and the U.S. Surgeon General, every home should be tested for radon. It is not uncommon for neighbors living close by to have vastly different radon levels. This is because uranium deposits can vary widely, even in small geographic areas. 

Why you should test our home

The only way to know if your home has a high radon level is to test for it. Although various cities tend to have more homes with high radon than others, every home is susceptible and should be tested every two years, according to the EPA. 

Click here to request a free, simple radon test. 

Radon test results, simplified

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Radon measurement

The amount of radon gas in the air is measured in picocuries per liter of air (pCi/L). When you receive radon test results, you’ll see a number followed by “pCi/L,” which helps you understand if your home’s radon level is low, moderate, or dangerously high. 

Radon action levels

The average outdoor air contains 0.4 pCi/L of radon gas. While no radon level is considered safe, this low level does not pose a significant threat. However, radon can concentrate inside buildings and pose a major risk to your health and those who live in the same building, including pets. 

Leading health organizations have varying “action levels,” which are the levels they recommend taking action and installing a radon mitigation system. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recommends considering mitigation at 2.0 pCi/L and strongly recommends installing a system at 4.0 pCi/L. The World Health Organization (WHO) recommends mitigation at 2.7 pCi/L.

Between 2.0 and 4.0 pCi/L, experts may have varying recommendations. However, if you or your loved ones are spending a significant amount of time on the lowest level of your home and your home tests at 2.0 pCi/L, it’s a good idea to get a system installed to err on the side of caution. On the other hand, if the lowest level of your home is unused and is in the low 2.0 range, it’s less urgent to install a system.

Click here to request a free radon test. If your home tests high, our team will walk you through the best course of action for your specific scenario.

Radon 101

Whether you’ve already tested your home for radon or this is the first time you’re hearing about it, it’s important to understand the basics (Radon 101) behind the radioactive gas that can cause lung cancer.

What is radon?

Radon is a naturally occurring, radioactive gas that rises into the air when uranium in the ground decays. Utah has a lot of uranium. As a result, it has an excess of radon that can get trapped inside buildings. Because it is odorless, colorless, and tasteless, the only way to detect radon is to test for it.  

Why is radon dangerous?

Radon is the leading cause of lung cancer in non-smokers and the second leading cause of lung cancer in among smokers. Annually, about 21,000 U.S. residents die from radon-induced lung cancer. Additionally, radon has been linked to other diseases, including strokes, leukemia, thyroid disease, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD). The Utah Department of Environmental Quality estimates 1 in 3 homes in Utah has high/dangerous radon levels.

"Most of the things we deal with in medicine, we're always talking about a small chance of making a difference. If you've got a one in three chance of having a problem in your house today, it's something that you should do something about." - Dr. Wallace Akerley, medical oncologist at the Huntsman Cancer Institute

How does radon enter a building?

Radon enters through pores, cracks, joints, and other small entry points in a building’s foundation. Because radon is a gas, it can enter through tiny crevices, not just large cracks. After the gas enters a building, it concentrates, and if that concentration gets too high, it can cause serious health implications. Additionally, many homes are now being built more airtight, which makes it easier for radon to reach dangerous levels.

How is radon measured and what level is safe?

Radon is measured in pico curies per liter of air (pCi/L). This measurement tells you how much radiation is contained in the air. For example, the average radon level in the outside air is 0.4 pCi/L. While there is no safe radon level, the radon in the outside air does not significantly threaten your health. However, when the radon level in a home reaches 2.0 pCi/L or higher, it's wise to start considering installing a radon mitigation system.

The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the World Health Organization (WHO) have established recommendations on when a radon mitigation system should be installed. The EPA suggests "considering" mitigation at 2.0 pCi/L and strongly recommends mitigation at 4.0 pCi/L or higher. The WHO strongly recommends mitigation at 2.7 pCi/L. Both organizations agree there is no safe radon level and any reasonable steps to reduce your exposure to radon is worth pursuing.

How is radon detected?

The only way to detect radon is to test for it. Several types of radon tests are available to the public, all providing accurate results as long as the test manufacturer's directions are followed.

The most common short-term radon test is a charcoal test. Charcoal tests measure how much gamma radiation has been in contact with the charcoal over a 48-96-hour time frame. That measurement is then converted into pCi/L. Charcoal tests are relatively inexpensive and straightforward to use.

Radon Sampler Test

Another common radon detection method is a digital continuous radon monitor. Unlike one-time-use charcoal tests, continual radon monitors provide ongoing hourly results so you can follow your home's radon levels throughout the year. They are more expensive than charcoal tests, but they are a good choice for anyone who wants to have their home tested continually.

What can I do about radon?

The most important thing you can do to protect yourself from radon is to test your home. The good news is you can receive a free test by filling out the form here. If your test results are high, a radon mitigation system can be installed to lower your home’s radon level.

The cause and effect of high radon levels

Radon is a radioactive gas that rises from the ground and gets trapped inside homes. Similar to carbon monoxide, it can’t be detected by our senses. Unfortunately, exposure over a long period to high levels of radon can cause lung cancer. In fact, radon is the leading cause of lung cancer in nonsmokers and causes 21,000 deaths per year in the United States.

Radon exists outdoors, too, but it dissipates into the air, so outdoor exposure doesn’t cause a major threat to our health. So, what level of radon inside is safe? We’re here to help you understand so you can protect yourself and your loved ones.

Is any radon exposure safe?

Radon is measured in picocuries per liter of air (pCi/L), and you can find your home’s radon level by performing a simple test. Technically, no level of exposure is safe, but your health risk greatly varies depending on how much you’re exposed to. The average outdoor radon level is 0.4 pCi/L, but once levels rise to 2.0 pCi/L inside, it’s time to consider taking action. 

If your home has a high radon level, a radon mitigation system can be installed to reduce the concentration in your home. The Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) recommends considering mitigation at 2.0 pCi/L, and the World Health Organization (WHO) suggests taking action at 2.7 pCi/L. Regardless, you should consult a radon professional near you—they can help you figure out when it is an appropriate time to install a system in your home based on your specific factors.

What contributes to high radon levels

The amount of radon in your home is correlated to how much uranium is in the soil below your home. Uranium is present across the state of Utah, and conservatively, one in three Utah homes has a high radon level. 

Additionally, the time of year you test and your home can contribute to the amount of radon in your home. Radon levels are higher in winter, so you should alternate your testing between winter and summer. Further, homes are often built more “airtight” nowadays, which means less radon can escape, and the concentration goes up. Finally, if you do any construction on your home or your home experiences a natural disaster, the structural changes can cause more radon to enter your home.

Test your home for radon today

Click here to request a free radon test If your home tests high, contact a certified radon mitigation company for a quote. 

Radon exposure in Utah can increase the risk of stroke

We often talk about how radon exposure is the leading cause of lung cancer in non-smokers and causes 21,000 American deaths per year, but did you know it might increase the risk of stroke, too?

New data about radon and strokes

A recent report in Neurology suggests that radon exposure can increase stroke risk by as much as 14%. Dr. Eric Whitsel, a professor of epidemiology and medicine at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill, tracked 149,000 women over 13 years and reported nearly 7,000 strokes. After dividing the group into three groups based on their home’s radon levels, those in the high radon group had a 14% increased risk of stroke compared to the low radon group. Additionally, those in the middle group had a 6% increased risk. Though more studies are needed to confirm these findings, there is reason to believe radon exposure contributed to the increased stroke risk.

What Utahns can do to reduce stroke risk

Conservatively, 1 in 3 homes in Utah has high radon levels. To keep yourself and your loved ones safe from radon-induced lung cancer and an increased risk of stroke, test your home for radon every two years. If your home tests high, consider having a radon mitigation system installed. 

You can request a free radon test here. 

Victims of radon gas explain the importance of awareness

By Leslie Thatcher – KPCW Senior News Director

Podcast published March 19, 2024

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RE: Victims of radon gas explain the importance of awareness

Leslie: Well, a group of non-smoking lung cancer survivors working to raise awareness and increase radon testing in Utah in the studio to tell us more and what to look for are two of those survivors. We've got Summit County residents Bill Johnson and Connie Alexakos. Good morning to both of you. Good morning. Good morning. Connie, maybe you can start and tell us a little bit about your story. How you got to this point in your life as a radon testing advocate?

Connie: Well, last August, I had just returned from a trip in Greece, came back and had a cough. Didn't know what it was. Had been fighting a cough for a long time and finally my GP sent me to get a CT scan and lo and behold, I have cancer and I've never been a smoker. I have lived a very healthy life. I'm 77 years old and I lived a really long healthy life and was healthy except for cancer and we sat down at Huntsman who has been great and Dr. Puri, my doctor at that time said, I said, well, how could I have gotten this? And she said, well, radon poisoning is the number one cause of non-smoking cancer. And I said, what is that? And I've lived in Summit County or Salt Lake County for 20 years and I had never heard of it. Just bought a house four years ago, bought a house and didn't know about it. So I got online, ordered a test and got to Utah Radon. My test was very high and my son in Wasatch County was even higher. The numbers were incredibly high. So we immediately called Utah Radon and they came up and mitigated. Now, if I'd known this years ago, I might not have cancer. I don't know, but I do know that testing is critical and our radon, the rate of radon here, one in three homes could have high radon. So it is, it is critical to test and it's free. You can get free test kits. So it's, it's a step that you can take that doesn't require anything except a test.

Leslie: All right. Bill, let's have you talk a little bit about, about your story and how you got here.

Bill: Yeah, so in June of 2023, I was diagnosed with stage four non-small, non-small cell lung cancer that obviously blindsided me because I was an avid trail runner, mountain biker, skier, typical park guy, right? Managing two, two young boys, active young boys. So it blindsided me and my family and, and I was just looking for some reason why. And so I, I can't say that radon caused my cancer, but I can say that, you know, again, as Connie said, you know, it's the leading cause of non-smoking lung cancer and I wasn't a smoker. So really just trying to be proactive and reach out to the community and, and have them test. It's an easy thing to do. It's free. And test often.

Leslie: Yeah. So have you tested your home and did you also have high numbers?

Bill: I did. Yeah. And I actually monitored, I bought a monitor for my home. And so in, in the lower level of my home, yeah, I tested high. And so I had to have that mitigated obviously. And I still continue to monitor that, monitor the levels in the house. But yeah, it did test high.

Leslie: Yeah. Everybody else in the family though okay? I mean, were they tested for something or?

Bill: Everyone's good. Yeah. I mean, so far so good. I'm, we're definitely lucky that my wife is okay.  And, and my two boys are healthy.

Leslie: Yeah. Had you ever tested your home for radon before?

Bill: Yeah. So we moved into our current house 14 years ago and we got a, you know, the, the passive cold test and, and tested it and kind of just, you know, it was fine at the time. And so we just never thought about it again for the 14 years. Right. And so I think what's important about radon is, you know, you have to take into the, take the variables into account. So, you know, different seasonal changes, whether there's snow on the ground, you know, maybe the neighbor's remodeling and, and they've disturbed the ground a little bit. And so that can all affect the radon levels in your home.

Leslie: Oh, that's interesting. So Connie had a cough. What kind of symptoms did you have?

Bill: Yeah. I mean, I was, I was running and, and, and how this happened to me is that I was shoveling the driveway and I thought I pulled my back out because of last winter's epic snow totals, right? It was shoveling again. And so I didn't have, you know, the typical symptoms, you know, persistent cough or shortness of breath or anything like that. And so I, what happened to me is it was all in my back. And so, so I thought I'd pull my back out. I did physical therapy for months. And finally in June, we, my wife was, you know, my wife and my physical therapist said, you got to go in and get an MRI. You got to check out what's going on. And that's when they found the mass in my right lung and it metastasized all the way up through my spine to my brain and then down into my hips, which pretty much made me immobile for a couple of months. So yeah, shell shocked.

Leslie: So you're doing better now. I mean, your prognosis is good and you're looking pretty good.

Bill: Thanks. Yeah, no, I think both Connie and I, we were, we linked up before obviously, and we're on, we take the same immunotherapy medication called Tagrisso. And that's done wonders for me. It's actually continuing to reduce brain and bone mets, but I do have some progression in my lung again. And so I'm on a new medication as well. Yeah.

Leslie: So would somebody know if radon is to blame? I mean, is there any way to test the level in your body?

Connie: I don't think there is a way that they can say you have cancer because of radon, but it is something you can test and prevent it if you're testing regularly. And they can't, and they can't say radon caused your cancer. They can't say anything did. Bill and I both lived really healthy lifestyles. I've never been really sick ever and have never smoked. Lived a pretty healthy life for 77 years.

Leslie: So talk a little bit about, well, your prognosis, you're doing okay as well. Right?

Connie: Well, I call it the magic pill, which evidently so does Bill and his family. And Tagrisso really stopped my cough. I had to have, it had metastasized to bone for me and other parts. And so I had a rod put in my femur, and it's attached with two big screws at my knee and my hip. But I exercise at least five days a week and still ski this silly mountain up here. So you just have to fight through those things. I feel good and I will probably never get rid of cancer, but I deal with it. It doesn't, it hasn't changed my lifestyle now that I'm on this great drug. And as I say, Huntsman has been absolutely fabulous. So.

Leslie: All right. Well, both of you, I guess, are on like a doing road, a road tour to what? I mean, KPCW is a stop. You doing other of these, just trying to get the word out?

Bill: Yeah. I mean, I'm just trying to get the word out at any level, right? So I think that it's really, you know, if you can build it into like your house maintenance schedule, right? So changing the water softener and anything like that, just order a test and get it done quarterly. So really just trying to raise awareness. So, yeah, as many platforms as possible. I want people to get out there and test and be proactive.

Leslie: Yeah. So, I mean, is that testing that often recommended? Winter, summer, spring, fall?

Bill: Yeah. I mean, I think so I actually use a monitor in my house so you can buy monitors as well as the free test kits from UtahRadon.org. But the monitor, I can actually check the levels. You know, it tests continuously throughout the day. And so you can actually see that it'll boost up in the middle of the night sometimes. And so, yeah, I think when I initially put the monitor in, it was summertime and everything was safe. And then the minute the windows closed in the fall and it got a little chilly and the heater kicked on, all of a sudden the levels went high. So that's really it. You have to test seasonally and test often.

Leslie: Yeah. How expensive are those monitors?

Bill: Well, yeah, I mean, they're so I use the EcoSense models and they're about $150 to $200. So and then they give you real data. So there's an app and a test like every 10 minutes or so.

Leslie: And you've both had your property mitigated. So has that kept the levels low and that what just provides some fanning, venting?

Connie: It is a vent that comes out of the house, blows it out into the air. My son, as I said, lives in Heber and he was very high and he had and we had mitigated as well there. So and he tests. We both test frequently. Yeah. Yeah. And I live in an over 55 community. They built two new houses in my neighborhood a year ago and it went sky high. I was shocked. Yeah. And none of my neighbors knew anything about radon either. So all 20 of us have now checked and know some are high, some are low and in a very small community. So you can't say that because your neighbor was low, you're going to be low. You have to check.

Leslie: Yeah. And so the fact that that when levels went high again, that's when the fans then kick on.

Connie: Absolutely. Yeah.

Leslie: In your basement or crawl space.

Connie: Yeah. Well, the fan, I think, blows pretty much all the time. Yeah. It just drags it out of the earth and takes it up.

Leslie: OK, so why would the levels come up again then?

Connie: Because they've been digging. They dug two basements really close to my house. I guess. I don't know. All I know is that I'm going to test and I'm going to preach it to everybody. Test and test frequently. And Bill gave the… you can also get on Utah Radon Services . Is that what it is? Utahradon.org.

Leslie: OK, and you mentioned that it is a free. Actually, I did that. Right.

Connie: So did you test?

Leslie: Yeah.

Connie: And how are you?

Leslie: I was a little bit above. So I'm going to retest because that's what they recommend.

Connie: Right.

Leslie: And then but we've also heard it's important that you do it.

Bill: Oh, yeah.

Leslie: Continuously.

Bill: Yeah. And I think I've even heard stories, locals in town, actually just by word of mouth, that even if they've had mitigation done and they went back and tested and it was high again, so and that could be because of, you know, the continuous construction, maybe next door. And so, yeah, even if you have a current mitigation in your house, I think, you know, it's advantageous to go ahead and test.

Leslie: OK, it does sound like I mean, I saw some data that almost three quarters of Park City homes tested for radon do have high levels. That's kind of scary.

Connie: Some of them, Wasatch, Wasatch County, both very high levels.

Bill: Yeah, I think geologically just Utah in general is prone to it. Right. So that's kind of why we're we're trying to really advocate at UtahRadon.org to get out and test.

Connie: OK. And I don't think that it is. You don't have to test legally when you sell a house here. I don't believe that is required, but it should be required by everyone.

Leslie: Right. Something you can negotiate. Right. In terms of whether who mitigates.

Connie: Exactly. Yeah.

Leslie: OK. Anything else you'd like to tell listeners?

Connie: Thank you for letting us come and speak and and just just tell everybody that is necessary.

Leslie: All right. Well, stay healthy. Bill. Thank you. Thanks for your time.

Connie: Thank you so much.